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    Dr. Umar Johnson sits down with Loon on It’s Up There for one of his most detailed conversations yet about FDMG, frozen accounts, alleged sabotage, Black leadership, public doubt, and the fight to open a school that he says was built through Black self-determination. In this episode, Dr. Umar explains what he says happened when his personal and business accounts were frozen, why he believes he was debanked, and how platforms connected to his fundraising were allegedly disrupted during one of the most critical moments in the FDMG journey. He also speaks on the city of Wilmington, the vacant property issue, the school allegedly being placed in danger, and why he believes the timing was not a coincidence. Loon presses Dr. Umar on the hard questions: the school timeline, supporter doubt, public criticism, Joe Budden’s reaction, Mark Lamont Hill reaching out, accusations from online detractors, and whether Dr. Umar mishandled parts of the process. Instead of avoiding it, Dr. Umar breaks down why he believes the project has taken so long, why he refused to build an online school, why he avoided charter school money, and why he says FDMG represents something much bigger than one building. This conversation goes beyond internet controversy. It becomes a conversation about Black institutions, trust, sabotage, financial power, community accountability, and whether Black people can protect the very leaders and projects they claim they want. This is Dr. Umar in rare form — challenged, defensive, reflective, fiery, and still convinced that FDMG is bigger than the critics, bigger than the delays, and bigger than the controversy. 00:00 – Dr. Umar Explains Getting Debanked 02:00 – Why His Personal & Business Accounts Were Frozen 04:00 – Apple Pay, Cash App, GoFundMe & FDMG 06:00 – Loon Questions The Timing Of The Account Freeze 08:00 – Dr. Umar Says The City Tried To Sell The School 10:00 – The Wilmington Fight Over FDMG 12:00 – Vacant Property Fees, No Notice & The School Papers 14:00 – Dr. Umar Responds To Joe Budden Questions 16:00 – Mark Lamont Hill Reaching Out During The Controversy 18:00 – Are Dr. Umar’s Supporters Losing Faith? 20:00 – Dr. Umar Says The Doubters Are Not Real Supporters 22:00 – How Much Money Has FDMG Really Raised? 24:00 – Why Dr. Umar Refused The Charter School Route 26:00 – Why He Says An Online School Would Not Fix Black Boys 28:00 – The Mistakes Dr. Umar Admits He Made 30:00 – Contractors, Scams & The Cost Of Building FDMG 32:00 – Why Dr. Umar Says Black People Sabotaged The School 34:00 – The Frederick Douglass Lineage Conversation 36:00 – Nat Turner, Ancestors & Dr. Umar’s Mission 38:00 – Would Dr. Umar March On Wilmington? 40:00 – Why He Says FDMG Is Bigger Than The Haters 42:00 – Dr. Umar On Black Boys, Manhood & Education 44:00 – Final Words On The School Opening #DrUmarJohnson #DrUmar #FDMG #ItsUpThere #Loon #BlackEducation #PanAfricanism #BlackLeadership #WilmingtonDelaware #JoeBudden #MarkLamontHill #BlackSelfDetermination Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO
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