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    Dr. Umar Johnson joins Loon on It’s Up There and goes far beyond the usual social media take on the Karmelo Anthony case. In this clip, he argues that Karmelo Anthony never had a fair trial in the first place, saying the issue is bigger than the verdict itself. Umar focuses on the absence of Black jurors, the location and culture of the courtroom, and what he believes is a long-standing American refusal to recognize Black self-defense the same way it recognizes white self-defense. He also widens the lens by invoking George Zimmerman, Kyle Rittenhouse, Daniel Penny, and Rick Chow as examples of how he believes race changes the legal and cultural response to deadly force. The case context is current and specific. AP reported that Karmelo Anthony was convicted of murder and sentenced to 35 years for fatally stabbing Austin Metcalf at a 2025 track meet in Frisco, Texas. KERA and other local reporting said the final jury included no Black jurors, and Anthony has already appealed his conviction. Those facts are why the “fair trial” lane in this clip has so much weight, regardless of whether viewers agree with all of Dr. Umar’s conclusions. (apnews.com) This is a clip from Dr. Umar Johnson’s return on It’s Up There Podcast. 00:00 Dr. Umar says Black parents forgive too fast 00:11 Loon frames the Karmelo Anthony case as bigger than the courtroom 00:34 Dr. Umar says white society wants Black cases treated in a vacuum 01:47 Zimmerman, Rick Chow, Rittenhouse and Daniel Penny comparisons 02:17 “Two standards of justice” argument 02:53 “The original crime in America is to be Black” 03:27 Why Dr. Umar says Black people have no legal right to stand their ground 03:58 Why he says Karmelo could not get a fair trial 04:24 No Black jurors / jury of peers argument 04:59 “Multiculturalism died” claim 05:42 Black love, forgiveness and white validation 06:14 Why Dr. Umar says white families do not forgive Black defendants 07:07 Why he says the murder charge itself was wrong 08:18 Why he says Karmelo shouldn’t have been charged at all 08:39 Reversal-of-race framing begins Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO
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