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    Dr. Umar Johnson sits down with Loon on It’s Up There and gets heated over the Karmelo Anthony knife case, the Austin Metcalf trial, and the 35-year sentence that has the internet divided. In this clip, Dr. Umar argues that the case was decided before the verdict because there were no Black jurors. He says one Black juror could have changed everything. He also questions why the public never saw a clear video, why Hunter Metcalf didn’t take the stand, and whether “touch me and see what I do” was really a threat — or a warning from someone who felt outnumbered. Loon presses Dr. Umar on the knife argument, the “stand your ground” defense, and whether the statement used in court showed premeditation. Dr. Umar responds by saying the case is bigger than a knife. To him, this is about whether Black children have the right to defend themselves when they believe their life is in danger. Watch the full conversation and more exclusive interviews on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast?utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator Subscribe to It’s Up There for more raw conversations, culture debates, and interviews that go past the headlines. 0:00 Dr. Umar Says Black People Are The Fairest Jurors 0:35 Why Dr. Umar Says The Jury Decided The Case 1:05 The Knife Argument Vs White People Carrying Guns 1:44 “A 3.5 Inch Knife Is No Match For Two Football Players” 2:22 Dr. Umar Says Karmelo Never Left His Seat 2:55 “One Black Juror Would’ve Changed Everything” 3:23 Why Dr. Umar Questions The Missing Clear Video 4:05 Dr. Umar Says Four Boys Tried To Jump Karmelo 4:48 Why Hunter Metcalf Not Testifying Matters 5:40 Loon Asks: Was It A Threat Or A Warning? 6:05 Dr. Umar Says “Touch Me And See” Was A Warning 6:40 Dr. Umar Questions Karmelo Anthony’s Defense Lawyer 7:20 “Where Was The Private Investigation?” 8:00 Dr. Umar Says The Case Is Bigger Than The Knife Dr. Umar says the Karmelo Anthony case came down to the jury, the missing clear video, and one question: was “touch me and see what I do” a threat… or a warning? Do you agree with Dr. Umar, or did the jury get it right? #DrUmarJohnson #KarmeloAnthony #AustinMetcalf #ItsUpThere #BigLoon #StandYourGround #SelfDefense #BlackJurors #TrialReaction #ViralInterview Full episodes and exclusives: https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast?utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO
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